Monday, December 31, 2012

Dick B. radio Interview of Monty of Take12Radio.com


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Our 3 CROSSFlorida A.A. History Workshops Feb 9th

Many thanks to the hard-working organizers of CROSSFlorida. We were delighted to be invited as presenters of the real A.A. history that demonstrates the Christian roots of the growing Christiam Recovery Movement, plants them firmly in the Bible and Vermont and the Christian upbringing of Bob and Bill, and explains in simple terms how the original Akron A.A. Christian Fellowship founded in 1935 succeeded and can restore God's role in recovery today.

Our workshops will be featuring our two most  recently published books (in print on demand and electric book form). The first is "Stick with the Winners!: How to Conduct More Effective 12-Step Recovery Meetings Using Conference-approved Literature: A Dick B. Guide for Christian Leaders and Workers in the Recovery Arena." The second is "Personal Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous: God's Role in Recovery Confirmed.!

There has been enormous growth in the Christian Recovery Movoement since International Christian Recovery Coalition was organized in July 2009. In just a short time, there was soon a listing of Christ ian Recovery leaders and workers in all  50 states and in several other countries.
Study groups (of the Bible and the Big Book and Steps) grew in states like Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, New York, Rhode Island, Deleaware, Virginia, West Virginia, Georgia, Florida, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Alaska, Hawaii, and elsewhere.

In our CROSSFlorida.org workshops, we plan to acquaint Christians and alcoholics and addicts in recovery with what God has done for them in recovery, what He still can do, and how they can find support for their efforts in fellowships today. Also, how they can organize them. Also how to focus on beginner orientation and meetings. Also, providing new opportunities for those who want God's help to find the programs, churches, fellowships, groups, meetings, leaders, and conferences which can enrich their entire recovery efforts and recovered lives.

We will welcome newcomers, leaders, workers. We will welcome questions, suggestions, and reports. We can arrange special meetings during the period of our stay. And we believe those who come will sally forth with a new zeal to put to use the simple program, extraordinary success, and Bible-oriented early A.A. Fellowship.

Dick B.

Saturday, December 29, 2012

Pioneer Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous 1st ed Confirm God's Role: Ken B. Radio Interview


"Ken B. speaks about the new title, Pioneer Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous: God’s Role in Recovery Confirmed!, on the December 29, 2012, episode of the "Christian Recovery Radio with Dick B." show.

 


 

By Dick B.

© 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

 

You can hear the Ken B interview right now!
 

 

You may hear Dick B.'s son Ken speak about their new title, Pioneer Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous: God's Role in Recovery Confirmed! (December 2012), on the December 29, 2012, episode of the “Christian Recovery Radio with Dick B.” show here:

 

http://mcaf.ee/sk0wz

 

or here:

 


 

Episodes of the "Christian Recovery Radio with Dick B." show are archived at:

 


 

[Ken’s attention is directed particularly to our new book just released: Personal Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous: God’s Role in Recovery Confirmed! The latest title is available right now in paperback and in eBook formats on www.Amazon.com (Kindle), and will be available any day now in a variety of eBook formats through www.Smashwords.com (use “Dick B.” as the search term and deactivate the “adult filter, even though these are not “adult” books), and other regular distribution sources.]

 

Synopsis of Ken B. Christian Recovery Radio Interview

 

Dick B.'s son Ken talks about the new book he and his dad released this month, Pioneer Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous: God's Role in Recovery Confirmed! (December 2012). When Bill W. and Dr. Bob met in Akron, Ohio, on May 12, 1935 (Mother's Day), both were members of a group named "A First Century Christian Fellowship" (also known as the Oxford Group). Bill and Bob developed a program of recovery over the summer of 1935 which John D. Rockefeller's agent Frank Amos summarized in seven points in February 1938. (See DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers, 131.)

 

As Dr. Bob said in his last major talk: "In early A.A. days, . . . we were convinced that the answer to our problems was in the Good Book." (See The Co-Founders of Alcoholics Anonymous: Biographical Sketches: Their Last Major Talks, Item # P-53, page 13.) After Bill and Bob "counted the noses" of those who had recovered as of November 1937, Bill was commissioned to write a book that would present the highly-successful, original Akron A.A. "Christian fellowship" program. (See DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers, 123 and 118.) Bill W., however, wrote what he called "the new version of the program, now the 'Twelve Steps.'" (See Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age, 162.)

 

Bill's statement at the Rockefeller Dinner on February 8, 1940, that A.A. claimed a 75% success rate among "seemingly-hopeless," "medically-incurable" alcoholics who thoroughly followed their path is mainly speaking about the original Akron program, as the Big Book had only been published April 10, 1939. When Clarence S. founded the A.A. group in Cleveland, which had a documented 93% success rate without relapse(!), he had done it with "by keeping most of the 'old program,' including the Bible and the Four Absolutes." (See Mitchell K., How It Worked, 108.) Our new book talks about success!

 

[I took the liberty of closing out Ken’s enlightening talk about God and A.A. and mentioned the many healing books and talks and conferences that have taken place over the years since 1850. Efforts by Christian people and organizations such as

the great evangelists (Moody, Sankey, Meyer, Folger), the Gospel Rescue Missions, the Salvation Army, Young Men’s Christian Association, Young People’s Society of Christian Endeavor, and the Vermont Congregational Churches. These and the Congregational churches and academies that figured so prominently in the Christian upbringing of Bob and Bill in Vermont were focused on employing the power they received as children of God and helping others by serving God.

 

I read the following from Power to Heal: Experiencing the Miraculous, by Joan Hunter, where she wrote:

 

God is not looking for your ability. He is looking for your availability. He is not looking for superstars; He is looking for servants. Does the Scripture say: “Well done, good and faithful superstar”? No, it says, “Well done, good and faithful servant” (Matthew 25:23), page 49.]

 

Friday, December 28, 2012

Some Bible Verses for the handful of Anti-AA Christian attackers


Man alone is not going to stop devilish name-calling, mudslinging, false accusations, and straw man arguments condemning Christians who belong to A.A., N.A., and 12-Step organizations.

Even though A.A. sprang from Christian roots (the great evangelists like Moody, Sankey, and Meyer; Gospel Rescue Missions; Young Men's Christian Association; Salvation Army; Young People's Society of Christian Endeavor; and strong Vermont Congregationalist leaders and revivalists and churches).

Even though both of A.A.'s co-founders were raised Christians by their parents, Congregational churches, Sunday schools, Sermons, reading of Scripture, hymns, baptisms, prayer meetings, Bible studies, and frequent conversion revivals and meetings. Even though they also both attended strong Congregational academies (St. Johnsbury and Burr and Burton) with daily chapel, prayer meetings, Bible studies, church services, and YMCA activities.

For many years, these historical facts were ignored, laid to one side, or distorted. But the last 23 years of research have brought them to the fore. And the first three AAs were believers in God, Christians, and Bible students. They were healed by God before there were any A.A. groups, Twelve Steps, a Big Book, Twelve Traditions or drunkalogs.

Yet about a half dozen persistent anti-AA critics have been bending every effort to "prove" that a Christian cannot belong to A.A., associate with A.A. or AAs, or help alcoholics in A.A. These souls seem to have ignored the difference between Christians walking by the spirit and those walking after the flesh, and the ability of the latter to be delivered and forgiven.

The critic weapons have nothing to do with the love of God, the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the gift of the Holy Spirit. They are simply hateful attempts to tie A.A. and its founders to Masonry, spiritualism, New Thought, LSD, the "sins" of the founders, and the belated "new" A.A. program of 12 Steps not even published until four years after A.A.'s Christian Fellowship was founded in Akron and achieving great success.

For good measure, these same anti-AA critics don't seem to miss a chance to condemn Rick Warren, Dick B., and assorted other Christians who seek to help alcoholics and addicts believe in God, come to Him through Jesus Christ, and take the Bible as their authority and guide. They somehow regard "recovery" as some monolithic single-minded society of sinners instead of diverse members having a common problem or common problems and, in some cases today, turning to God for help.

To be sure, God has given Christians the tools to tackle the Adversary who fosters such accusations and falsehoods. See Ephesians chapter 6 and James 4:7, 10. But many a Christian and those of other persuasions shrink before guilt accusations, fear, intimidation, and pride. They don't consult and believe biblical truths. They rely on senses knowledge feelings and opinions of men.

Of late, it has seemed appropriate to offer these anti-AA Christian writers the following verses to ponder from Ephesians chapter 4:

[21] If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
[22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
[23] And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
[24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
[25] Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
[26] Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
[27] Neither give place to the devil.
[28] Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
[29] Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
[30] And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
[31] Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
[32] And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you

Christians, beginning with the times of Jesus and the Acts of the Apostles, have been helping, converting, healing, praying for, speaking the Word to, and witnessing to the sick, the poor, the sinner, and the alcoholic; and they do so because God has given them the power that comes with being a child of God and expressing the love of God in word and deed.

Senses knowledge condemnations of those Christians who help others in jails, hospitals, mental wards, rehabs, recovery facilities, 12 Step programs, A.A. meetings, and conferences defy the right and privilege of Christians to do those very things, help others come to God through Christ, and to be healed and become new men in Christ--just as has been the case when the mystery was revealed to the saints and to Paul centuries ago.

Jesus ministered to the Jews. Paul ministered to the Gentiles. And to those who believed, there was no difference. There was no difference because of the spirit of God in all the believers; and there was no bar on witnessing to and ministering to all those still suffering in sin, sickness, death, and disasters. And listening to the message of early Christians: "Come and see."

Gloria Deo

Freedom House; Costa Mesa, California


Freedom House

(John 8:32)

3133 Van Buren Avenue

Costa Mesa, California 92626

A Small, Well-founded, Residential Transitional Recovery House

Dick B.

Copyright 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved.

 

This is a brief article to tell you what networking in International Christian Recovery Coalition can produce for the alcoholic and addict who still suffers by focusing his attention on the role that God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Bible played and can play in recovery from alcoholism and addiction today. And by bringing together recovered Christian recovery leaders and workers skilled in the workings of treatment, recovery, and 12-Step programs, and placing special focus on the power of God that is so much needed by the afflicted.

First, about the three remarkable men who put the Freedom House project together.

David Roman is a dedicated young recovered Christian who is also the proprietor of four very successful Orange County Restaurants (Cucina Roman). He has been a participant in International Christian Recovery Coalition since its inception in July, 2009. And he has generously distributed our Alcoholics Anonymous History books widely in the Orange County recovery arena. He is also very much involved in his Christian church’s “Recovering Our Freedom” group which highlights John 8:32 in this particular work:

Then Jesus said to those Jews which believed on him. If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:31-32).

David had a strong leading that a residential transition recovery house was needed that would have a Christian fellowship background—Bible based—resembling the First Century Christian apostles and their daily gatherings and actions described in the Book of Acts. So David is the provider of the house located at 3133 Van Buren Avenue, Costa Mesa, California. It enables newcomers to support each other while avoiding the vulgarity and drugs and idolatry that so often accompany the newcomer as he seeks relief from his addiction problems.

Danny Simmons is a mature, authoritative, recovered Christian AA who lives in Costa Mesa. Danny has been extremely active in both  church, 12 Step fellowships, and working with newcomers. We met him at one of David’s restaurants. And, when we are in Orange County, he cannot do enough to serve and glorify the Lord and put us in touch with other recovered Christians who grasp and want to apply the successful Christian techniques of early Akron A.A.’s Christian Fellowship in recovery today. He chairs meetings. He helps newcomers, He is a church-oriented Christian. He studies. He distributes books free. And he is well suited to be the manager of Freedom House. The men there need loving concern, discipline, and sound teaching. And Danny provides it.

Dr. Robert Tucker is founder and president of New Life Spirit Recovery, Inc., in Huntington Beach, California. He runs a church, treatment program, a Christian counselor training and certification program, presents recovery classes, and conducts counseling. He also sees to it that his clients are safely housed during their treatment period. And Danny Simmons worked with Dr. Tucker in that arena. Dr. Tucker is also president of the prestigious Association of Christian Alcohol and Drug Counselors Institute; and his wife Stephanie works alongside him particularly in the codependency treatment area. She is an author as well. Dr. Tucker has been a speaker on programs with us; participated in TV panels; and filmed our introductory foundations class. His office is Huntington Beach is the Orange County Headquarters for our Coalition.

The Importance of Diverse Christian Talents in the Growing Christian Recovery Movement

International Christian Recovery Coalition is an informal, no cost, fellowship of Christian recovery leaders, workers, newcomers, and concerned people disseminating the role that God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Bible played in the origins, history, founding, original Christian Fellowship program of A.A., and its successes. They want to see the techniques and successes of that First Century Christian Fellowship returned to view and applied where wanted in today ‘s recovery scene.

The mission, participation, programs, projects, and media presentations are spelled out on www.ChristianRecoveryCoalition.com. People from many parts of the United States and Canada have participated in its conferences, panels, and seminars. They get to know each other. They are able to refer people who want God’s help to others who will help them get it. They participate in our research, book distribution projects, and media presentations.

And the work at Freedom House in Orange County is just one of dozens of projects that utilize the talents of Coalition participants and bring them together from such widely dispersed locations as Alaska, Arizona, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Washington, Oregon, California, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Delaware, Rhode Island, the Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, New York, Louisiana, Texas, Tennessee, Missouri, West Virginia, Idaho, the Dakotas, Kansas, New Mexico, Florida, Maryland, Oklahoma, Arkansas, United Kingdom, Ireland, Wales, Netherlands, Sweden, or many other spots.

These participants are travelers, phoners, and communicators. On our panels, conferences, research efforts, and interviews, they have come together from British Columbia, Alberta, Toronto, Ontario, the East Coast, Midwest, South, West, and Northern U.S. to meet each other and then to return and keep in touch.

Though One Group of Many, Freedom House Provides Unique, Needed Help Today

Gloria Deo

Historic Meeting of Bill W. and Dr. Bob at Shrine Auditorium LA in 1948


Bill W. & Dr. Bob together at The Shrine Auditorium in March 1948: "The Tidings" article 03 26 48.PDF [sent by Hermine Lees of The Tidings staff to Ken B.]

 

Subject: The Tidings article 03 26 48.PDF [sent by Hermine Lees of The Tidings to Ken B.]

[Note to readers: If you would like a copy of this vitally important historical record of Bob and Bill in Los Angeles where they were talking of Divine Aid, prayer, cultivating the habit of prayer, and studying the Bible, see for yourself. Contact dickb@dickb.com; and we will see that you get a pdf sent to you]

Aloha to you, Christian leaders and workers in the recovery arena!!

 

Dick B. (www.DickB.com) has quoted from and referred to a copy of an article from The Tidings he received several years back which discussed an event held in the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles at which Bill W. and Dr. Bob spoke together. Here is some background information about this important article in which Bill W. and Dr. Bob note the role of the Creator of the heavens and the earth (and--in Dr. Bob's case--of the Bible) in early A.A.'s astonishing successes.

 

Because the last number in the year date (i.e., the "8" in "1948") was difficult to read in the copy given to Dick B., he cited the article as being from page 17 of the Friday, March 26, 1943, issue of The Tidings. Because the staff of The Tidings had been unable to locate such an article with the date of March 26, 1943, they reported to a least one person--in addition to reporting to me this month (i.e., March 2008)--that they didn't have such an article.

 

After considerable personal research, I came to the conclusion that there was probably a simple "typo" involved in which the "8" in "1948" had been mistaken for a "3" (as in "1943"). When I contacted The Tidings and suggested that the date might actually be Friday, March 26, 1948, Hermine Lees, a Staff Writer at The Tidings, was able to confirm to me almost immediately that there was such an article. At my request, she faxed the article to me. I have attached a scanned copy of her fax to me ("The Tidings article  03 26 48.pdf"). She told me in an email message that she had felt that she needed to retype the two paragraphs in the first column of the copy of the article she faxed to me, and I hand-wrote her comments at the bottom of the document she faxed to me. And I drew a line around what Hermine typed so that it would be clear that that portion of text was separate from the photocopy of the article she sent me. Please also note that the copy sent to me by Hermine Lees does not include the ads and other information surrounding the original article about Alcoholics Anonymous.

 

I am also including a scanned copy of the original article which Dick B. had used in his various discussions of the appearance of Bill W. and Dr. Bob at The Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles.

 

And, speaking of the roles played by God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Bible in early A.A.'s astonishing successes with "seemingly-hopeless," "medically-incurable" alcoholics who thoroughly followed the path of the pioneer AAs, please see our just-released titled, Pioneer Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous: God's Role in Recovery Confirmed! by Dick B. and Ken B. (2012), now available in paperback and eBook formats from Amazon.com:

 

     Paperback: http://mcaf.ee/mzqor

 

     eBook (Kindle): http://mcaf.ee/yex8u    [This book will be available in other eBook formats any day now from www.SmashWords.com]

 

Pioneer Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous quotes many examples of A.A. pioneers sharing about God, His Son Jesus Christ, the Bible, and Christianity in the "Personal Stories" section of the first edition of the Big Book (1939). Those pioneers were testifying to the tremendous effectiveness of the "old program" which John D. Rockefeller's agent, Frank Amos, summarized in seven points--not six, not 12!--on page 131 of DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers. Those 29 testimonies--26 of which were not included in the fourth edition of the Big Book (2001)--are not talking about what Bill Wilson called "the new version of the program, now the 'Twelve Steps'" (Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age, 162) which he wrote in the first 11 chapters of the first edition. Bill's "new version of the program" didn't exist yet! No, here is what Mitchell K., the biographer of Clarence S, the founder of A.A. in Cleveland, states:

 

"Two years after the publication of the [Big] book [on April 10, 1939], Clarence made a survey of all of the members in Cleveland. He concluded that, by keeping most of the 'old program,' including the Four Absolutes and the Bible, ninety-three percent of those surveyed had maintained uninterrupted sobriety." (Mitchell K., How It Worked: The Story of Clarence H. Snyder and the Early Days of Alcoholics Anonymous in Cleveland, 108; bolding added. See also DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers, 261.)

 

Would you like to see a 93% success rate among "medically-incurable" alcoholics (and addicts)--with no relapses among them!--in your A.A. meeting and/or Christian recovery meeting today? Please check out the resources mentioned in this article.

 

One more thing: Whatever you do, please have a large stack of The Co-Founders of Alcoholics Anonymous: Biographical Sketches: Their Last Major Talks (Item # P-53--http://aa.org/lang/en/catalog.cfm?category=4&product=70) available at all of the A.A. meetings and Christian Recovery meetings you attend and/or supervise, and give them to everyone who comes to those meetings. Consider highlighting key pages in Dr. Bob's and Bill's talks in that pamphlet about the "Good Book," our "Heavenly Father," and "the Master." And perhaps include a business card and/or write your name and phone number in the back of the pamphlet. Atheists and agnostics have become children of God reading this pamphlet! (Want to know more about this pamphlet? Please ask me!)

 

In GOD's love,

 

Dick B.'s son, Ken

 

Dick B.'s main Web site: www.DickB.com

Dick B., Executive Director

The International Christian Recovery Coalition: www.ChristianRecoveryCoalition.com

"Christian Recovery Radio with Dick B.," "Russell S. Talks," and other Christian Recovery resources: www.ChristianRecoveryRadio.com

Thursday, December 27, 2012

The Take12Radio.com Interview by Dick B. on ChristianRecoveryRadio.com


Dick B. Interviews Monty Meyer of www.Take12Radio.com

on the “Christian Recovery Radio with Dick B.” Show


Copyright 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

You Can Hear This Radio Interview Right Now

 

You may hear Dick B. interview Monty Meyer of www.Take12Radio.com on the December 27, 2012, episode of the "Christian Recovery Radio with Dick B." show here:

 

http://mcaf.ee/agu9f

 

or here:

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/christian-recovery-radio-with-dickb/2012/12/27/dick-b-interviews-monty-meyer-of-take-12-recovery-radio

 

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Synopsis of the Interview of Monty Meyer of Take12Radio.com

The Following is the Introduction we Broadcast

Ours is a Christian recovery radio interview show where we hear from recovered alcoholics and addicts and Christian Recovery leaders and workers we have met in the last 23 years of travel and research. Monty Meyer of Albany, Oregon, is certainly such a leader. He is a dedicated, recovered, 12 Stepper, and a strong supporter of the roles of God and His Son Jesus Christ and the Bible in the recovery arena. He has produced many "A.A. History with Dick B." radio shows where I have told of the history of A.A., its founders and pioneers, the origins of the 12 Steps, the biblical roots of the 12 Steps, and the early A.A. "Christian fellowship" and leaders in Akron. Today, we will hear Monty tell us a bit about his background, substance abuse period, recovery interests, Christian service, and Take12Radio.com. Take12Radio.com has a worldwide audience as I found when a group in Dubai phoned me in Hawaii to tell me they were a Bible study group listening to my comments on Monty's show. Having recovered from some serious illness bouts, Monty has sallied forth anew with some top notch speakers and music on his show. And I'm sure he will clue us in on what he is doing now and plans to do in the months to come to provide further service to the alcoholic or addict who still suffers, and let him or her learn from those who are laboring hard to help others find help from our Creator. Take it away, Monty

 

Special Highlights of the Monty Meyer Interview Itself

Monty expressed his view that any treatment organization or program that does not have a spiritual content is not worth its weight.

            Monty’s background includes all the vagaries and troubles of alcoholism. He was on the streets for 18 years. He entered a recovery program which emphasized “Just have faith.” But it didn’t relieve him of his “powerlessness.” He went to Bible college and served as an Associate pastor and minister. Still no relief. But in 1973, with a solid relationship with God, his obsession was lifted.

            That said, the next question for him was what to do with this miracle. The first answer was to return the Twelve Steps to the fore. Then a lady called him and said she didn’t like his writing and that he should make his presentations on radio. And this he did—starting with a Friday show.

            Next, in his interview, Monty acquainted us with the progress of Take12Radio.com which emphasizes the Big Book and recovery for addicts.

            And the show has become what I believe is the most complete, comprehensive, spiritual 12 Step recovery show in existence. 7 days a week.

            Monday—there is a speaker on the 12 Step Solution—the Creator’s entering into our

 hearts and lives in a way that is truly miraculous. Tuesday—the A.A. history show with Dick B., plus our Dick B. Christian Recovery Radio interviews. Wednesday is open forum about the power of God, trivia, music, and opinions—but no tip toeing on the importance of God. Thursday, Bryan Duncan presents a 30 minute how, primarily musical—stressing the importance of God. Friday—Arrowsmith, Intervention, Celebrity Rehab, Ordinary folks like us and that the 12 Steps are God-driven. Saturday—Recovery Workshop emphasizing knowing the Big Book. Monty and Chris Schroeder have 34 one hour shows which demonstrate why the instructions for taking the Steps come from the Big Boo (not the Twelve and Twelve as some have opined).

            Monty said the show has 55,000 subscribers; but many more know of and hear the show just by being referred there by others. He also pointed to the very clear presence of Jesus Christ in the Big Book, once a person knows that Dr. Silkworth told Bill that Jesus Christ could cure him; Ebby Thacher told Bill how he had been reborn at the altar of Calvary Mission; and Bill himself went to the altar and was born again; and then sought God’s help at Towns Hospital—having his indescribably white light experience—and becoming convinced: “Bill, you are a free man. This is the God of the Scriptures.”

            The value of the Take12Radio resource is that it is archived. You can hear its shows 7 days a week, choosing one of the formats, and not having to listen in a certain day of the week.

            Take12Radio.com stands alone as the foremost 12-Step, Christian oriented radio show on the air today. At least, that’s my view.

 

Take12Radio.com Producer to be Interviewed by Dick B. Today

Ours is a Christian recovery radio interview show where we hear from recovered alcoholics and addicts and Christian Recovery leaders and workers we have met in the last 23 years of travel and research. Monty Meyer of Albany, Oregon is certainly such a leader. He is a dedicated recovered 12 Stepper and a strong supporter of the role of God and His Son Jesus Christ and the Bible in the recovery arena. He has produced many A.A. History with Dick B. shows where I have told of A.A. history, its founders and pioneers, the origins of the 12 Steps, the biblical roots of the 12 Steps, and the early A.A. Christian Fellowship and leaders in Akron. Today we will hear Monty tell us a bit about his background, substance abuse period, recovery interests, Christian service, and Take12Radio.com. Take12Radio.com has a worldwide audience as I found when a group in Dubai phoned me in Hawaii to tell me they were a Bible study group listening to my comments on Monty's show. Having recovered from some serious illness bouts, Monty has sallied forth anew with some top notch speakers and music on his show. And I'm sure he will clue us in on what he is doing now and plans to do in the months to come to provide further service to the alcoholic and addict who still suffers and let him or her learn from those who are laboring hard to help others find help from our Creator. Take it away, Monty

Is A.A. Christian?


Is A.A. Christian?

Dick B.

Copyright 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

 

More and more, people are Googling in the question: Is A.A. Christian?

 Is it?

Some, including a few Christian writers who are anti-A.A., are quick to jump in and answer with a Bible verse or two, an admonition or three, and plenteous irrelevant condemnations alleging in error that A.A. sprang from spiritualism, Masonry, LSD use, New Thought.

Instead of pondering this biased speculation, why not investigate for yourself and then decide for yourself. Making sure you look at all the evidence, and not just some undocumented material by someone who not dislikes A.A. and Christian AAs but is determined to dissuade thousands and thousands from seeking help in it.

Again: Is A.A. Christian?

Why not start with facts before attempting to answer the question in any meaningful, useful, and helpful way!

One very clear set of facts can be found in the words of cofounder Dr. Bob’s last major speech published in The Co-Founders of Alcoholics Anonymous: Biographical Sketches Their Last Major Talks. Dr. Bob said the early AAs had no Steps, no Traditions, no drunkalogs, (and, of course, no Big Book text). They simply believed the answer to their problems was in the Bible. They assiduously studied Jesus’s Sermon on the Mount, the Book of James, and 1 Corinthians 13. And Dr. Bob went on to say that even the basic ideas of the Twelve Steps (published four years after A.A. was founded) came from the study and effort that had been going on in the Bible from 1935 until the Steps were published in 1939.

Was A.A. Christian then? Dr. Bob called it a Christian Fellowship! And many observers said it was First Century Christianity in action.

How about the later years after the Big Book was published in 1939 and after Dr. Bob had died at the end of the 1940’s?

You might first ask,"What is A.A.?" Or, "What A.A. literature--past or present--can shed light on the question?" Or, "Who is asking the question?" Or, “Is the questioner studying A.A., condemning A.A., researching A.A., trying to prove the affirmative that AA was and is Christian? Or, trying to argue the negative, contending that Christians will go to hell if they set foot in a meeting. Or, stating that the Bible prohibits attending A.A., or stating flatly that A.A. is Christian or not Christian. And then ask: to what period in A.A.'s 75 years or so, does the questioner refer?

You can start by finding out the major influences on A.A. historically.

These are the Young Men’s Christian Association, Christian evangelists like Dwight Moody and F.B. Meyer, the Salvation Army, the Gospel Rescue Missions including the one where one cofounder made his decision for Jesus Christ, and The Young People's Society of Christian Endeavor. One comprehensive, documented study can be found in Dick B. and Ken B.’s, Dr. Bob of Alcoholics Anonymous. Another is Dick B.’s, The Conversion of Bill W. Still another can be found in Dick B.’s Real Twelve Step Fellowship History. And if the inquirer investigates the footnotes, the quotes, and the bibliographies in those books, he will find the documentation.

You can move on to look at the Christian upbringing of A.A.'s cofounders Dr. Robert H. Smith and William G. Wilson in Vermont. You will mostly have to look outside of A.A. for details. But the books above will be helpful. And so will several more recent ones by Dick B. and Ken B. But two A.A. Conference-approved books can start you on your quest. One is DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers (1980). Another is "Pass It On." And still another is the autobiography of Bill W. himself. Another, the biography of Bill's doctor, "The Little Doctor Who Loved Drunks." Still others, the works on Bill by Susan Cheever and Nan Robertson.

Then you can look at how the first three AAs got sober. And what they had to say about God, Christianity, the Bible, and how they were delivered from alcoholism.

A.A. Number One, Bill Wilson, was told by his doctor (Silkworth) that the "Great Physician" Jesus Christ could cure him. Bill made a decision for Jesus Christ at the altar of Calvary Mission in New York. Bill wrote that he was "born again." And Bill decided to call on the "Great Physician" for help. Finally, Bill cried out to God for help at Towns Hospital. Bill had a "white light experience." He sensed the presence of "the God of the Scriptures," as he phrased it. And he never drank again. But he did immediately go about with a Bible under his arm, telling his story, and telling drunks they must give their lives to God in order to get well. Bill had been raised a Christian in East Dorset and Manchester, Vermont. He had studied the Bible in both places. He had accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior in New York. And, in A.A.'s own Big Book, he was quoted as saying "the Lord has cured me of this terrible disease."

A.A. Number Two, Dr. Bob Smith, had been a member of St. Johnsbury's North Congregational Church when his parents were raising him to believe in Jesus Christ and study the Word of God. Bob and his whole family were deeply involved in the North Congregational Church, with Young People's Society of Christian Endeavor, with the Young Men’s Christian Association, and with the Congregationalist St. Johnsbury Academy. And, as to it all, Dr. Bob stated he had received excellent training in the Bible as a youngster.

When Bob at last began his march to sobriety, he knelt on the rug in Akron with a group of Christians and prayed to God for his deliverance. Shortly, his prayers were answered by the visit of his new friend-to-be, Bill Wilson. And Dr. Bob soon quit drinking forever, studied the Bible intensely, and was a member of at least two Christian churches in Akron, Ohio—a Presbyterian church and an Episcopal Church, the latter a year before he died.

A.A. Number Three, Bill Dotson, an Akron attorney, and a drunk, had long believed in God, taught Sunday school in and was a Deacon of a Christian church in Akron. Dotson received the witness of Bob and Bill while in the Akron City Hospital. He turned to God for help. And he was instantly cured. In A.A.'s Big Book, Dotson (like Bill Wilson) declared that the Lord had cured him also.

Early AAs in the group founded by Wilson, Smith, and Dotson called themselves a Christian fellowship. All newcomers were required to profess belief in God, to make a decision for Jesus Christ, to study the Bible, to make a surrender of their lives to God, and to attend "old fashioned prayer meetings." They also were urged to fellowship with other believers and attend a religious service once a week.

Was Akron A.A. Christian in the 1930's? You be the judge.

Did A.A. as a Society change its face when it published its Big Book in 1939?

It removed the word "God" from its Second, Third, and Eleventh suggested Steps of recovery. It tossed out some 400 pages of its draft manuscript--all said to have contained Christian and biblical materials. And it avowedly declared it did so in order to placate atheist and agnostic drunks who wanted to get sober in the Society.

At that point, was A.A. Christian after its Big Book and Steps were published in April 1939?

You be the judge.

What about today's A.A? It has changed again so that the Lord's Prayer no longer closes many of its meetings. It often refuses to sanction groups that study the Bible, mention Jesus Christ, or study Christian literature. A.A.’s present-day publications more and more call the Society "spiritual but not religious"--even though the courts have mostly rejected this statement. Its literature more and more says that you don't have to believe in anything at all to be a member of A.A.

 Is today's A.A. Christian? You be the judge.

But! The point made here is that you can be the judge. You can be a Christian in A.A. You can believe what you wish, read what you wish, worship where you wish, and "be" whatever you wish to be. A.A. has no authority, no power, no leader, and no employee who can exclude anyone from its membership or censor books or "govern" what groups do or do not do.

Therefore, today there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of Christians in A.A. And they are neither barred, nor evicted, nor suppressed by anything except by rude, boisterous, and sometimes insulting remarks of a few intolerant "bleeding deacons"--as Bill Wilson used to call such dissenters.

In the opinion of the author, based on the foregoing evidence: (1) A.A. was Christian to the core in its origins. (2) A.A. founders and the first three AAs were Christians in their upbringing. (3) The same three were believers in God and Christians when they turned to God for help and were cured. (4) The Akron fellowship was not only Christian, but said so.

Today, as a member of A.A., you can believe in God, be or become a Christian, believe what you wish, worship where you wish, belong to a Christian denomination if you wish, read the Bible and Christian literature if you wish, and talk about what you wish in meetings.

A.A. is not organized. Its leaders are but trusted servants. They do not govern. Groups are expected to turn to and follow the guidance of "a loving God" as He may express Himself in their group conscience. And anyone who disagrees can, as an A.A., buy a coffee pot and take his resentment and disagreement with him to a group he and another alcoholic can form or to which he may choose to belong--Christian or not.

Gloria Deo

 

Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Christian Recovery Organization Summit: Dick B. and Ken B. featured guests

  • New Praise Slide with text

Welcome to Dr. Milton Magness of Houston as Participant

We welcome as our latest participant Dr. Milton Magness of Houston, Texas; and his listing as a participant in International Christian Recovery Coalition is as follows:


Sex Addiction Recovery Resources

Dr. Milton S. Magness

Hope & Freedom Counseling Services

3730 Kirby Dr., Suite 1130

Houston, TX  77098

713-6330-0111


 
In His Service, Dick B., Executive Director

Raymond Meadows of West Virginia just became a Christian Recovery Coalition Resource Center

Welcome to our long-time participant who has a happening group in West Virginia and now has become a Christian Recovery Resource Center to serve  those in his community. Thank you Raymond.

"Raymond Meadows
825 23rd St
Huntington, WV 25703
United States"


Dick B., Executive Director, International Christian Recovery Coalition www.ChristianRecoveryCoalition.com

Welcome to Chaplain Marita Lawler of Palmer Alaska


We are delighted to have Chaplain Marita Lawler, Ph.D.,  of Palmer,  Alaska, become a participant in International Christian Recovery Coalition.

Her listing is    Marita Lawler, Ph.D., Ch.D.; Lawler Consulting LLC & Holy Spirit Ministry of Alaska; 1150 South Colony Way, Suite3 PMB352, Palmer, Alaska 99645 USA; (907) 232-8237; Marita Lawler mlawler.phd@gmail.com, and my URLs are http://lawlerconsultingllc.4t.com/index.html   &     http://www.alaskahsm.org/index.html

In His Service,

Dick B., Executive Director

Monday, December 24, 2012

Anger at and Condemnation of A.A.


Does Anger Justify Condemnation

When does rage over failure to get our own way make it right to visit criticism, condemnation, and harm to the one who doesn’t march to our tune?

Dick B.

Copyright 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

What’s this got to do with A.A.?

I’ll never forget the AA who said he went to A.A. meetings to find someone to hate. Nor the many times some writer about A.A., who dislikes another writer or his viewpoint, vented his steam and condemnation on the other whom he deems unworthy of respect and attention? Nor the many times some angry and pontificating Christian, who thinks A.A. is wrong and that other Christians who go there are hell bound, arms his language with Scriptural error and senses knowledge hogwash into trying to suppress a child of God dedicated to helping still suffering drunks in the fellowship? Nor those AAs who just can’t keep quiet and are bent on airing their angry venom with words that they believe will somehow control those suffering souls who mention their belief in God, their love of the Lord, and their use of the Bible.

The resentful behavior and retaliation are, of course, not a creature or creation of Alcoholics Anonymous. They can be found in all walks of life. But they do great harm to the service to God and those about us who consider it a duty and a necessity to reach out to the faltering hands of a desperate drunk..

Hatred, condemnation, and vengeance do not square with A.A. principles and practices at their best. And if a bunch of drunks can agree that circles of love trump circles of wrath, there’s no good reason why some of the afflicted should toss out the compelling A.A. ideas that they, the intolerant, are not God. Or that they may not put a fence around the world and keep other drunks in line.

A.A.’s Big Book has some useful guides: (1) “Selfishness—self-centeredness. That, we think is the root of our troubles” (p. 62). (2) “We asked ourselves why we were angry. In most cases it was found that our self-esteem, our pocketbooks, our ambitions, our personal relationships (including sex) were hurt or threatened. So we were sore. We were ‘burned up’” (pp. 64-65). (3) “But the more we fought and tried to have our own way, the worse matters got. . . . If we were to live, we had to be free of anger. The grouch and the brainstorm were not for us.” (p. 66). (4) “God save me from being angry. . . . We avoid retaliation or argument” (p. 67).

True or untrustworthy, these principles do arrest the attention of the sick drunk who enters A.A. and decides he has to find and adopt a new way of living.

Put this in biblical terms: (1) Ephesians 4:26: “Be ye angry; and sin not; let not the sun go down upon your wrath.” (2) Ephesians 4:31: “Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice.” (3) Ephesians 4:32 “And be ye kind to one to another . . .” (4) Ephesians 5:2: “And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us. . . “

If you compare the words of Dr. Bob and his wife Anne and some of the language of the Big Book with the words of the Bible, it is not hard to see why Dr. Bob said the basic ideas for the Steps themselves came from the study and effort in the Bible that went on in early A.A. from 1935-1938.

A.A. is not perfect. It’s not monolithic. It does not exist to be judged by some unbalanced critic. It harbors people with all kinds of difficulties, addictions, shortcomings, beliefs, and behavioral attitudes. But its principles that challenge the newcomer and old-timer alike to put off the old man and put on the new provide an applicable challenge for raging protesters. The angry writer, the angry Christian, the angry AA, and the bleeding deacon who wants to control others have ample reason to change their own approaches and actions. Whether they read the Big Book, study the Bible, or come to realize how much harm comes from unrestrained harms done.

Gloria Deo

AA Myth: The term "God of o ur understanding"


The Term “God of Our Understanding,”

Occurrences of the Word “God” and Related Words in the Big Book, and a Big Myth

 

By Ken B.

© 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

 

Aloha to you, Paul, from Maui, Hawaii!

Thank you for keeping us “in the loop.” Here are some comments on the A.A. history portions of the email message you sent out today.

1. The term "God of our understanding" does not occur on pages 1-164 of the fourth edition of Alcoholics Anonymous (2001). Please see the attached file "The Term 'God of Our Understanding' Is Not in the Big Book or the 12 and 12" for a detailed discussion.

 

[If you are reading this article on a Dick B. blog or Web site, please contact Ken B. at kcb00799@gmail.com about the availability of this file.]

A.A. cofounder Bill W. decided to write what he described as "the new version of the program, now the 'Twelve Steps.'" (Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age, 162; bolding added). A.A. cofounder Dr. Bob's sponsee Clarence S. founded the third A.A. group in the world in Cleveland, Ohio, on May 11, 1939. Clarence's biographer, Mitchell K., states: "Two years after the publication of the [Big] book [on April 10, 1939], Clarence made a survey of all of the members in Cleveland. He concluded that, by keeping most of the 'old program,' including the Four Absolutes and the Bible, ninety-three percent of those surveyed had maintained uninterrupted sobriety." (Mitchell K., How It Worked: The Story of Clarence H. Snyder and the Early Days of Alcoholics Anonymous in Cleveland, 108; bolding added). Frank Amos' summary of the seven-point "old program"--which he prepared for John D. Rockeller, Jr., in February 1938 (the month and year in which Clarence S. got sober in Akron under Dr. Bob)--is quoted on page 131 of DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers. There is no mention in those seven points of "God as we understood Him," "a Higher Power," or "a Power greater than ourselves." Rather, item #2 states:

 

He must surrender himself absolutely to God, realizing that in himself there is no hope.

Dr. Bob--whom A.A. cofounder Bill W. called "the prince of all twelfth-steppers" because he, accompanied by Sister Ignacia, helped 5,000 alcoholics recover between 1940 and 1950--stated:

I didn't write the Twelve Steps. I had nothing to do with the writing of them. [The Co-Founders of Alcoholics Anonymous: Biographical Sketches: Their Last Major Talks, 14]

In speaking of very significant "battle over the book," Bill W. stated:

All this time I had refused to budge on these steps. I would not change a word of the original draft, in which, you will remember, I had consistently used the word "God," . . . We [i.e., Bill W., Hank B., John Henry Fitzhugh M. ("Fitz"), and Ruth Hock] finally began to talk about the possibility of compromise. Who first suggested the actual compromise words I do not know, . . . In Step Two we decided to describe God as a "Power greater than ourselves." In Steps Three and Eleven we inserted the words "God as we understood Him." . . . Such were the final concessions to those of little or no faith; this was the great contribution of our atheists and agnostics. . . . God was still there in our Steps, but He was now expressed in terms that anybody--anybody at all--could accept and try." [Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age, 166-67; italics in original, bolding added]

Bill W. states the following on page 12 of the fourth edition of Alcoholics Anonymous:

My friend [i.e., Ebby T.] suggested what then seemed a novel idea. He said, "Why don't you choose your own conception of God?"

That paragraph was part of a four-paragraph, handwritten insertion that was made in the "printer's manuscript" of the first edition of Alcoholics Anonymous.. The four handwritten paragraphs were not present in the so-called "Multilith Edition" or "Original Manuscript" of which Bill W. states "four hundred mimeograph copies . . . were made and sent to everyone we could thin of . . ." (Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age, 165). For a very extensive analysis of the question "Why don't you choose your own conception of God?" see Appendix 1: "Why Don't You Choose Your Own Conception of God?" in our new title, Pioneer Stories in Alcoholics Anonymous: God's Role in Recovery Confirmed! by Dick B. and Ken B., which is now available in 6" x 9" format from Amazon.com (http://mcaf.ee/c02zd) and in Kindle eBook format (http://mcaf.ee/3l0e7). It should be available in other eBook formats (e.g., iPad, iPhone, Nook, etc.) from www.SmashWords.com and other sources within the next few days.

The 29 testimonies by the early A.A. pioneers contained in the "Personal Stories" section of the 1939 edition are talking about the "old," highly-successful(!) Akron A.A. "Christian fellowship" program which A.A. cofounders Bill W. and Dr. Bob began developing together over the summer of 1935. Bill W.'s "new version of the program" did not exist! 22 of those personal stories in the first edition were not included in the second edition published in 1955. And four more of the original stories were not included in the fourth edition published in 2001. Thus readers of today's Big Book are receiving very little information about the "old program" for which A.A. claimed a 75% success rate up to the time the first edition was published in April 1939. If you want to see the many testimonies to the roles played by God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Bible in early A.A.'s astonishing successes among "seemingly-hopeless," "medically-incurable" alcoholics, check out Alcoholics Anonymous: The Original 1939 Edition with a 23-page Introduction by Dick B.:

 


 

2. Here are some facts about the word "God," capitalized pronouns, and biblical descriptions as they used of the Creator of the heavens and the earth on pages 1-164 of the fourth edition of the Big Book:

  • The word "God" [and related word-forms including "God-consciousness" (p. 13), "God's" (pp. 24, 25, etc.), "God-sufficiency" (p. 52), "God-given" (p. 69), and "God-conscious" (p. 85)] occurs 135 times on pages 1-164. If one chooses to omit/disqualify "for God's sake" (p. 24) and "the God of reason" (p. 54), that would leave 133 occurrences fairly clearly referring to the Creator of the heavens and the earth.
  • Capitalized pronouns (i.e., "He," "His," "Him," "Thou," "Thy," "Thee") referring to the Creator of the heavens and the earth (i.e., God) occur 81 times on pages 1-164.
  • Biblical descriptions of the Creator of the heavens and the earth (i.e., God), other than the word "God" (i.e., "Creator," "Maker," "the Father," and "the Father of Light") occur 16 times.

So there are 232 (or 230, see above) occurrences of the word "God" and related words on pages 1-164 of the fourth edition of Alcoholics Anonymous. I have attached three documents providing all of the actual occurrences of the words and phrases just discussed. In addition, I have attached a document containing the 41 occurrences of non-biblical descriptions of the Creator of the heavens and the earth (i.e., "God") for your review.

[If you are reading this article on a Dick B. blog or Web site, please contact Ken B. at kcb00799@gmail.com about the availability of this file.]

3. There is a myth that has been floating around A.A. for a long time that needs to be put to rest:

The "first 164 pages," "The Doctor's Opinion," and "Appendix II: Spiritual Experience" are the "basic text" of the Society of Alcoholics Anonymous.

That statement is NOT true. If one looks up the meaning of the word "text" in the dictionary, most of the questions would be answered. But for the purpose of exploding this myth, one only needs to look at the front cover of the dust jacket of the fourth edition of Alcoholics Anonymous. The front cover states:

Alcoholics Anonymous: This is the Fourth Edition of the Big Book, the Basic Text for Alcoholics Anonymous

If that isn't clear enough, one may go to page xi of the Preface for clarification:

[Paragraph two:] ". . .[T]his book has become the basic text for our Society . . ."

 

The original "Big Book"--i.e., the first edition of Alcoholics Anonymous published April 10, 1939--was 410 pages. It contained 10 pages of "front matter" and 400 pages of "main text." (At that time, the chapter titled "The Doctor's Opinion" was included in the "main text," and its pages were numbered 1-9, with "Chapter One: Bill's Story" beginning on page 10. Chapter 11, "A Vision for You," ended on page 179. The "Personal Stories" section--containing 29 personal testimonies from early A.A. pioneers for whom A.A. claimed a 75% success rate among those "who really tried" and "thoroughly followed our path"--was 396 pages long, with Dr. Bob's personal story beginning on the renumbered page 1. Then there was an Appendix about the Alcoholic Foundation.

In today's fourth edition (2001), the "front matter" is 32 pages long and includes "The Doctor's Opinion." Chapter 1: "Bill's Story," now begins on page one, and the first eleven chapters of the book end on page 164. The "Personal Stories" section now begins on unnumbered page 165 and ends on page 559. Pages 561-73 consist of seven Appendices.

Why are these details important? First and foremost, because the whole book, Alcoholics Anonymous, is the "basic text" for the Alcoholics Anonymous Society, and the Big Book says so! Second, because vitally-important testimony to the roles played by God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Bible in early A.A.'s astonishing successes are contained in the "Personal Stories" section beginning after page 164. Have you seen the last line of Dr. Bob's personal story?

Your Heavenly Father will never let you down! [p. 181]

Have you seen this statement by A.A. cofounder Bill W.:

"Henrietta, the Lord has been so wonderful to me, curing me of this terrible disease, that I just want to keep talking about it and telling people." [p. 191]

Have you seen this statement by A.A. Number 3, Bill D.:

Bill [W.] was very, very grateful that he had been released from this terrible thing, and he had given God the credit for having done it, and he's so grateful about it he wants to tell other people about it. That sentence, "The Lord has been so wonderful to me, curing me of this terrible disease, that I just want to keep telling people about it," has been a sort of a golden text for the A.A. program and for me.

Enjoy!

In GOD's love,

Ken B.


PS: Please check out the International Christian Recovery Coalition. It is FREE to become a "Participant":
www.ChristianRecoveryCoalition.com. And please check out the "Christian Recovery Radio with Dick B." show, the "Russell S. Talks," and other Christian Recovery resources available at: www.ChristianRecoveryRadio.com.

 

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